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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Atlan, R v [2004] EWCA Crim 1798 (28 June 2004) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2004/1798.html Cite as: [2004] EWCA Crim 1798, [2005] Crim LR 63 |
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MR JUSTICE MITTING
SIR JOHN ALLIOTT
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"We are unanimous on all counts except count 4 on which we cannot reach a verdict. We would ask the judge for some assistance."
"I am not sure what further guidance I can give them. If they simply are undecided amongst themselves then they must go away and just try a bit harder with a bit of give and take because it is not yet time to give them a majority direction."
Defence counsel agreed. It was then agreed that it was too early for a majority direction and that the jury could be told that.
"I think the only assistance I can give you, if it's assistance at all, is to ask you to go away and try a bit harder. I'm afraid that the law doesn't allow me to take a majority verdict from you at this stage. All I can say is that whoever is your foreman or forewoman needs to perhaps direct the discussion so that you all have an opportunity of saying what you want to say, and there might have to be a bit of give and take in your deliberations and your thoughts. I am afraid I can give you no further guidance than that. I cannot accept a majority verdict from you at this stage. So could you go away and try a bit harder for a little bit longer."
"... there might have to be a bit of give and take in your deliberations and your thoughts."
"... a jury must be free to deliberate without any form of pressure being imposed upon them, whether by way of promise or of threat or otherwise. They must not be made to feel that it is incumbent upon them to express agreement with a view they do not truly hold simply because it might be inconvenient or tiresome or expensive for the prosecution, the defendant, the victim or the public in general if they do not do so."