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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Slocombe, R v [2005] EWCA Crim 2997 (23 November 2005) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2005/2997.html Cite as: [2005] EWCA Crim 2997 |
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COURT OF APPEAL (CRIMINAL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM CROWN COURT AT EXETER
HHJ GRIGGS
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B e f o r e :
(THE RT HON. SIR IGOR JUDGE)
MR JUSTICE ELIAS
and
MR JUSTICE OUSELEY
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President of the Queen's Bench Division:
MR BRANSTON: My Lords, I am grateful. May I mention three matters. First of all may I apologise for perpetuating an omission that is made in at least four editions of Archbold and is corrected by your Lordships' judgment at paragraph 9, the words "detention and training order or".
THE PRESIDENT: That is a very handsome apology and you have nothing to reproach yourself about. Ouseley J hunted that one down for us.
MR BRANSTON: I am extremely grateful. Secondly, I hope your Lordships received from me yesterday a draft question. I seek your Lordships' leave to certify a question of general public importance in this matter in the terms that I have set out in that question. It is my submission that this appeal and matters raised in this appeal may well affect a large number of children and young people who may already be subject to the notification requirements or will become subject to the notification requirements in due course. It is also my submission, and it was alerted to by your Lordships when the submissions were made, that there may be a conflict between the position in Scotland and the position in England and Wales. Your Lordships may recall that within paragraph B of section 131 of the 2003 Act there is reference to section 44(1) of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. A reading of that section in line with the questions raised by this appeal may well lead your Lordships to conclude that a person subject to a one year order under that section is required to notify for a longer period than a person subject to a one year detention and training order in this jurisdiction. Therefore, in my submission, my Lord, this question that I ask is a question of general public importance.
THE PRESIDENT: Very well. Thank you. Mr Branston, we think the point is an interesting one but we do not think it is appropriate to certify.
MR BRANSTON: Certainly, my Lord. My third matter was rather dependent on the second matter and therefore I have nothing more to add.
MR COLLETT: My Lord I simply have to say I echo the apology in my learned friend's first point, and I am of course grateful to my Lord.
THE PRESIDENT: I am about to say something indiscrete but It would be jolly interesting to have an apology from whoever is responsible. Thank you both very much.