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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Hutton v. Vehicle Inspectorate [2001] UKEAT 0487_01_2609 (26 September 2001) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2001/0487_01_2609.html Cite as: [2001] UKEAT 487_1_2609, [2001] UKEAT 0487_01_2609 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
MR RECORDER LANGSTAFF QC
MR A E R MANNERS
MS G MILLS
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING
For the Appellant | MR S GILL (Of Counsel) Instructed by Messrs Nash & Co Solicitors Beaumont House Beaumont Park Plymouth Devon PL4 9BD |
MR RECORDER LANGSTAFF QC
"The hearing was conducted by Mrs Campbell. She said that it was not a disciplinary hearing but a meeting so that the applicant could support his written submission against the charge. His union official Mr Higgins represented him and expressed his concern whether Mrs Campbell the Decision Officer had given advice to Mr Ricks. (I interpose to say that he was the manager who was the other party to the contretemps which had occurred). She explained that it was purely on the procedure but she was happy to stand down as Decision Officer and act as investigating officer passing her report to a new Decision Officer. Both the union and applicant were happy with that arrangement. Mrs Campbell continued with the hearing."
"That if the Civil Servant has more than 2 years service his avenue of appeal is to the Civil Service Appeal Board. If he has less than 2 years service he does not have the right to go to the Civil Service Appeal Board but in that event it goes to an Appeal Officer who is one grade higher than the Decision Officer. It is this last point on which the applicant maintains that he had been deprived of a stage in the appeal."
"It is possible to criticise the procedure but it is an agreed procedure of long-standing between the Civil Service unions and the Civil Service. Following the case of East Hertfordshire District Council v Boyten [1977] IRLR 347 if an employer applies a code of procedure agreed between both sides it cannot be said that the employer is acting unreasonably in so doing. Indeed if it were to do otherwise he would be open to criticism as acting unreasonably.
Whilst we have misgivings about the procedure in this case we cannot say that the respondents acted unreasonable in applying as they did the agreed procedures."
"When a disciplinary matter arises, the relevant supervisor or manager should first establish the facts promptly before recollections fade, and where appropriate obtain statements from any available witnesses. It is important to keep a record for later reference. Having investigated all the facts the manager or supervisor should decide whether to, drop the matter; arrange informal coaching or counselling; or arrange for the matter to be dealt with under the disciplinary procedure."
It is accepted by Mr Gill that there was no requirement in terms there that the witness be seen face to face by one of the investigating officer. All that is required by that statement of good practice is that statements should be obtained. In this case it is plain that they were and accordingly we see no reason on that ground to conclude that the Employment Tribunal were in error.
"The respondents were faced with an incident of violence and unless there were special circumstances, and we find none here, it would be impossible to say that any reasonable employer acting reasonably could not dismiss on those facts."
The reference to their finding of no special circumstances here has to be read in the light of their knowledge that they were aware as they have recorded earlier that there were allegations of provocation and/or self-defence.
"My managers were fully aware of my medical condition and the need for my meal breaks, to continue forcing questions on me and behaving in the way that my manager did as I started my meal break and took my medication was appalling and intimidating. I would also point out that as I had worked for over five hours I was now required by law to take a break."
The medical condition there is relevant, if it is relevant to any issue, to that of provocation rather than mitigation. We can see no other clear reference to the medical condition of the Appellant within that document and certainly no clear indication that the Appellant was relying upon his medical state in mitigation of what would otherwise have been an unjustifiable attack upon a superior.
"Prior to and during the incident I made it clear to my manager that I was entitled to and needed a break, not least because of medical treatment I am receiving for serious anxiety."
That is very far removed from an argument that the employer's decision was flawed because the employer failed to make reasonable inquiries about the medical condition which has been advanced by way of mitigation, or which would naturally have appeared to have any link with mitigation of the seriousness of any offence found to have been proved.
"We cannot find it possible to say, in a case of this character, at any rate that an employer, in following such an agreed procedure, could be said to be acting unreasonably. Of course there may be an argument that the code could be improved, or that greater safeguards could be included. But that is not the point of this case. The point is that there is a code, carefully agreed between the parties, and, the way we look at it, it is not for an Industrial Tribunal, or indeed, this Appeal Tribunal to rewrite an agreed code of that kind which has been hammered out by both sides of industry. No employer, it seems to us, should be accused of acting unreasonably in those circumstances, if the employer follows a code which has been arrived at in that way."