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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> T & G (Scotland) v Amicus (AEEU) & Ors [2004] UKEAT 0067_03_1003 (10 March 2004) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2004/S0067_03_1003.html Cite as: [2004] UKEAT 0067_03_1003, [2004] UKEAT 67_3_1003 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE LORD JOHNSTON
MISS J A GASKELL
DR W M SPEIRS
T & G (SCOTLAND) |
APPELLANT |
RESPONDENT | |
AMICUS (AEEU) |
APPELLANT |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
EATS/0067/03
For the Appellants | Mrs D Illius, Counsel Instructed by- Messrs McVey Murricane, Solicitors 13 Bath Street GLASGOW G2 1 BW |
For the 1st Respondents For the 2nd Respondents For the 3rd Respondents |
Ms J Brown, Barrister Instructed by- Messrs Rowley Ashworth Solicitors 247 The Broadway Wimbledon, LONDON SW19 1SE Miss M Tether, Counsel Instructed by Messrs Brechin Tindal Oatts Solicitors 48 St Vincent Street GLASGOW G2 5HS Mr Mr G Pennel, Solicitor Of- Messrs Maclay Murray & Spens Solicitors 3 Glenfinlas Street EDINBURGH EH3 6AQ |
EATS/0068/03
For the Appellants | Ms J Brown, Barrister Instructed by Messrs Rowley Ashworth Solicitors 247 The Broadway Wimbledon, LONDON SW19 1SE |
For the 1st Respondents For the 2nd Respondents For the 3rd Respondents |
Mrs D Illius, Counsel Instructed by Messrs McVey Murricane, Solicitors 13 Bath Street GLASGOW G2 1 BW Miss M Tether, Counsel Instructed by- Messrs Brechin Tindal Oatts Solicitors 48 St Vincent Street GLASGOW G2 5HS Mr G Pennel, Solicitor Of- Messrs Maclay Murray & Spens Solicitors 3 Glenfinlas Street EDINBURGH EH3 6AQ |
LORD JOHNSTON:
"During the period April 2001 - July 2002 the first respondents in terms of their contract with the Ministry of Defence were carrying out certain functions at West Freugh. In this connection, they had entered into or "inherited" (we are not quite sure which) a contract with the second respondents in terms of which the second respondents carried out similar functions at the same facility. During the same period the first respondents took the decision to terminate their contract with the second respondents. They did so for a number of reasons, only one of which was the desire to effect economies, all as set out in Mr Denyer's statement. Before and when the first respondents took the decision to terminate their contract with the second respondents, both respondents were aware that, if the contract was terminated, Tupe would apply, and the first respondents would have no choice but to take on the work force of the second respondents based at West Freugh on the same terms and conditions as the second respondents work force enjoyed with the second respondents. The first respondents therefore, only anticipated saving the management fee that they required to pay to the second respondents, if they were to terminate the contract with the second respondents. At the point in time when the decision to terminate the contract with the second respondents was taken, the first and second respondents were competitors, and it simply did not make commercial sense to the first respondents to have the second respondents on site bearing in mind that both companies were quite likely to be in competition for contracts with the Ministry of Defence to be executed at that site. In addition, the first respondents believed that it would be easier to manage certain health and safety issues (matters of paramount importance in the respondents' business), if there was only one company in charge of matters at West Freugh. It is also important to note that the decision to terminate the contract with the second respondents was a decision taken solely by the first respondents and one with which the Ministry of Defence was in no way involved."
""1. The transferor and transferee shall be required to inform the representatives of their respective employees affected by the transfer of the following-
the date or proposed date of the transfer,
the reasons for the transfer,
the legal, economic and social implications of the transfer for the employees,
any measures envisaged in relation to the employees.
The transferor must give such information to the representatives of his employees in good time, before the transfer is carried out.
The transferee must give such information to the representatives of his employees in good time, and in any event before his employees are directly affected by the transfer as regards their conditions of work and employment.
2. Where the transferor or transferee envisages measures in relation to his employees, he shall consult the representatives of his employees in good time on such measures with a view to reaching an agreement.
3. ......................
4. The obligations laid down in this Article shall apply irrespective of whether the decision resulting in the transfer is taken by the employer or an undertaking controlling the employer.
In considering alleged breaches of the information and consultation requirements laid down by this Directive, the argument that such a breach occurred because the information was not provided by an undertaking controlling the employer shall not be accepted as an excuse.
5. ..........................."
"We are persuaded that there must be some limitation placed on the matters that are required to be subject of consultation in terms of the Directive. Patently every single measure that an employer envisages in relation to every single employee whether connected to the transfer or not cannot be the subject of consultation, and there must be some limitation on the breadth and scope of the required consultation. Sub Article 1 is telegraphic in its style and, in our view, sets out the general objective to be achieved and is not to be interpreted in the manner in which an Act of the United Kingdom Parliament falls to be interpreted.
In our view, there is another reason for refusing to give to the Directive the interpretation argued for by the applicants. If we continue the assumption that the respondents are an emanation of the state, and that the applicants may rely on the Directive, by parity of reasoning, the applicants could rely on Council Directive 98/59 ("the 1998 Directive.") That Directive provides in Article 2 that, where "an employer is contemplating collective redundancies, he shall begin consultations with the workers' representatives in good time with a view to reaching an agreement." As we understand the matter, the expression "contemplates" is to be given a meaning identical with that of the word "envisages." The relevant part of the 1998 directive reads "Lorsque un employeur envisage..................". We are far from persuaded that the current controversy about whether the words "contemplate" and "envisage" are truly synonymous with the word "propose" (and they probably are not) matters, because whether an employer contemplates, envisages or proposes redundancies, the obligation is to consult "in good time." Thus an employer who is contemplating or envisaging redundancies, but not proposing them, may delay the commencement of consultation, provided he carries out the consultation "in good time" and, in our view, the "good time" is to be calculated by reference to the date upon which the redundancies are to take effect rather than by reference to the date upon which the germ of the idea of redundancies first entered the employers' mind or - at the very least - the date upon which the redundancies are to take effect is a relevant factor in determining whether consultation has begun "in good time." The basic point - and the relevance to our reasoning - is that the 1998 Directive (assuming that it can be directly enforced) imposes the obligation on state employers of consulting in good time (and not as soon as is reasonably practicable as did the Employment Act 1975.) As far as we are aware, the applicants have not complained - at least in a formal sense - to an employment tribunal - either in terms of section 188 of the 1992 Act or of the 1998 Directive that the consultation that presumably followed the announcement of 23rd July and which resulted in the first compulsory redundancies in March 2003 did not commence "in good time." If we were to give effect to the applicants' argument, we would, in practical terms, be laying down that consultation, at least in the specific circumstances of this case, ought to have begun before "good time" required them to begin. The employees affected by the transfer would, therefore, be in a better position than if the transfer had not taken place, and, in our view, it cannot have been the intention of the 1998 Directive to place employees affected by a transfer in the position that they could demand that consultation concerning redundancies should begin in more than good time.
Accordingly, we are satisfied that the words "in connection with the transfer" are implicit in the Directive and in these circumstances dismiss the applications.
"It follows from the foregoing that a body whatever its legal form which is made responsible pursuant to a measure adopted by the State providing a public service under control of the State and has for that purpose special powers beyond which result from normal rules applicable in relations between individuals, is included among the bodies against which the provisions of a Directive capable of having direct effect may be relied upon."