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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Ramsay & Ors v.Bowercross Construction Ltd & Anor [2008] UKEAT 0534_07_1408 (14 August 2008) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2008/0534_07_1408.html Cite as: [2008] UKEAT 534_7_1408, [2008] UKEAT 0534_07_1408 |
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At the Tribunal | |
On 19 June 2008 | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE PETER CLARK
(SITTING ALONE)
2) MR K MCCARD 3) MR H GRIFFITHS |
APPELLANTS |
2) THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS GUILD LTD 3) GMB |
RESPONDENTS |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
For the Appellants and the Third Respondent | MR PHILIP JONES (of Counsel) Instructed by: Messrs Thompsons Solicitors Agincourt 14-18 Newport Road Cardiff CF24 OSW |
For the First Respondent | MR RHODRI WILLIAMS (of Counsel) Instructed by: Sentinel Employment Law Dryburgh House 3 Meikle Road Kirkton Campus Livingston EH34 7DE |
For the Second Respondent | No appearance or representation by or on behalf of the Second Respondent |
SUMMARY
PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE: Costs
Costs – whether a party can recover by way of costs counsel's fees (yes) and those of a non legally qualified adviser, as defined in s.71 C&LSA 1990 (no). Employment Tribunal Rules 38, 40-42 considered.
Whether VAT recoverable by way of costs; point not taken below (Kumchyk).
Whether claim misconceived and if so when that ought to have been appreciated by paying party (McPherson v BNP Paribas).
HIS HONOUR JUDGE PETER CLARK
Background
"It is submitted for the Respondent that the Claimants are holders of CIS cards which allow them to claim the tax benefits of self-employed status. It is the Construction Workers Guild (CWG) which pays the Claimant and which deducts their tax at the beneficial rate of 18% …"
The Appeals
(1) Was Dr Davies entitled to conclude that the claims against Bowercross were misconceived and pursued unnecessarily?
(2) the status of Ms Dempster and whether Bowercross was legally represented for the purposes of Rule 38?
(3) the date from which any proper award of costs should run.
(4) the VAT element.
Discussion
A. The VAT element
B. Was the claim against B misconceived. If so, at what point do costs start to run? I shall deal with these two grounds of appeal together.
C. Sentinel's Fees
"hearing" means a case management discussion (CMD), pre-hearing review (PHR), review hearing or Hearing (as those terms are defined in Schedule 1) …"
"A Hearing is held for the purpose of determining outstanding procedural or substantive issues or disposing of the proceedings. In any proceedings there may be more than one Hearing and there may be different categories of Hearing, such as a Hearing on liability, remedies, costs … or preparation time."
and by Rule 26(2):
"Any Hearing of a claim shall be heard by a Tribunal composed in accordance with Section 4(1) and (2) of the Employment Tribunals Act" [ETA 1996]
Disposal